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	<description>The Pedablog on Classical Education by the CiRCE Institute</description>
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		<title>Comment on When and How to Teach Grammar: II &#8211; Reflections on studying a foreign language by Mark Pennington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pennington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are reasons English teachers do not want to teach grammar. Check out http://penningtonpublishing.com/blog/grammar_mechanics/six-reasons-why-we-don%E2%80%99t-teach-grammar/.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are reasons English teachers do not want to teach grammar. Check out <a href="http://penningtonpublishing.com/blog/grammar_mechanics/six-reasons-why-we-don%E2%80%99t-teach-grammar/" rel="nofollow">http://penningtonpublishing.com/blog/grammar_mechanics/six-reasons-why-we-don%E2%80%99t-teach-grammar/</a>.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Knowledge, Love, and Civilization by Andrew Kern</title>
		<link>http://quidditycirce.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/knowledge-love-and-civilization/#comment-1554</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 05:17:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi katie

Piaget was describing a process that expressed his theory of knowledge, so it would be related if only because he is talking about something for which both parties use the same word. 

I&#039;m no Piaget expert, but my understanding of his theories is that they are rooted in a Darwinian presupposition about knowledge. Assimilation, accomodation, and equilibrium would all come under the Baconian/Deweyite idea that knowedge is an adaptation, something practical. 

What I didn&#039;t make as clear as I should have is that the perception I&#039;m referring to is an interior, soulish perception. It&#039;s the ability to see truth itself. 

So far as I can tell, that was not a relevant issue to Piaget. Knowledge for him seems to have been a practical thing. You assimilate, you accomodate, you establish an equilibrium. 

All of that happens, but it isn&#039;t the fulness of what happens when we know things. 

He was, from what I understand, talking about interactions and adjustments between things. I&#039;m talking about spiritual perception. 

I hope that helps at least a little. You asked a valuable question and the comparsion between Piaget and, say, Aristotle, Plato, and Aquinas would be invaluable. 

Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi katie</p>
<p>Piaget was describing a process that expressed his theory of knowledge, so it would be related if only because he is talking about something for which both parties use the same word. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m no Piaget expert, but my understanding of his theories is that they are rooted in a Darwinian presupposition about knowledge. Assimilation, accomodation, and equilibrium would all come under the Baconian/Deweyite idea that knowedge is an adaptation, something practical. </p>
<p>What I didn&#8217;t make as clear as I should have is that the perception I&#8217;m referring to is an interior, soulish perception. It&#8217;s the ability to see truth itself. </p>
<p>So far as I can tell, that was not a relevant issue to Piaget. Knowledge for him seems to have been a practical thing. You assimilate, you accomodate, you establish an equilibrium. </p>
<p>All of that happens, but it isn&#8217;t the fulness of what happens when we know things. </p>
<p>He was, from what I understand, talking about interactions and adjustments between things. I&#8217;m talking about spiritual perception. </p>
<p>I hope that helps at least a little. You asked a valuable question and the comparsion between Piaget and, say, Aristotle, Plato, and Aquinas would be invaluable. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Knowledge, Love, and Civilization by Katie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 02:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When you say knowledge is perception, apprehension, relation, it seems to me to be related to Piaget&#039;s idea of the process of intellectual growth-- assimilation, accomodation, equilibrium.  Am I thinking along the right lines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When you say knowledge is perception, apprehension, relation, it seems to me to be related to Piaget&#8217;s idea of the process of intellectual growth&#8211; assimilation, accomodation, equilibrium.  Am I thinking along the right lines?</p>
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		<title>Comment on When and How to Teach Grammar: II &#8211; Reflections on studying a foreign language by Andrew Kern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melia,

If I were you I would more or less disregard vocabulary for a little while and just focus on forms of verbs and nouns, but that does depend on your appreciation for forms. If you don&#039;t like form for its own sake, you might want to get into more translation. For me it&#039;s a matter of learning the hard stuff first and getting it in place without being distracted by vocabulary.

So I would get a Latin grammar book from the early 20th century or from Henle&#039;s Latin and memorize the verb forms, one conjugation at a time. You&#039;ll have to learn one or two words for each one and that will let you develop sentences, but from my perspective that&#039;s not important. Take your time.

Once you have thoroughly learned one or two first conjugation verbs (make up drills for yourself that make you change things rapidly until you can do it very quickly), adding vocabulary is ridiculously easy. You could add 10/week for three months and have 120 verbs under your belt and you&#039;d be able to use them pretty effectively.

So that&#039;s what I would recommend you do. Form, form, form: both shortcut and key. 

But not everybody has the patience or stomach for this approach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melia,</p>
<p>If I were you I would more or less disregard vocabulary for a little while and just focus on forms of verbs and nouns, but that does depend on your appreciation for forms. If you don&#8217;t like form for its own sake, you might want to get into more translation. For me it&#8217;s a matter of learning the hard stuff first and getting it in place without being distracted by vocabulary.</p>
<p>So I would get a Latin grammar book from the early 20th century or from Henle&#8217;s Latin and memorize the verb forms, one conjugation at a time. You&#8217;ll have to learn one or two words for each one and that will let you develop sentences, but from my perspective that&#8217;s not important. Take your time.</p>
<p>Once you have thoroughly learned one or two first conjugation verbs (make up drills for yourself that make you change things rapidly until you can do it very quickly), adding vocabulary is ridiculously easy. You could add 10/week for three months and have 120 verbs under your belt and you&#8217;d be able to use them pretty effectively.</p>
<p>So that&#8217;s what I would recommend you do. Form, form, form: both shortcut and key. </p>
<p>But not everybody has the patience or stomach for this approach.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When and How to Teach Grammar: II &#8211; Reflections on studying a foreign language by Melia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 18:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, you mentioned teaching yourself Latin.  That is something I&#039;ve been contemplating doing, especially since it is something that Jacob is starting to learn in school (although I have more selfish reasons for wanting to learn the language than being able to help him with his homework).  Right now they are just learning vocabulary (he&#039;s in 4th grade) and it is in either 5th or 6th grade that they start studying Latin as a language, which I assume means grammar.  How would you suggest I start my own study, and can you recommend any resources?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, you mentioned teaching yourself Latin.  That is something I&#8217;ve been contemplating doing, especially since it is something that Jacob is starting to learn in school (although I have more selfish reasons for wanting to learn the language than being able to help him with his homework).  Right now they are just learning vocabulary (he&#8217;s in 4th grade) and it is in either 5th or 6th grade that they start studying Latin as a language, which I assume means grammar.  How would you suggest I start my own study, and can you recommend any resources?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The War Against Grammar by Kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love a sentence of Pauline proportions.  I thought it was good one. 
:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love a sentence of Pauline proportions.  I thought it was good one.<br />
 <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Classics Illustrated by Diane Pendergraft</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Pendergraft</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a find!

If not for personal experience, I would likely have scoffed at introducing children to the classics using comic books.  However, my stepdad had a highly prized set of these that he allowed me to read when I was 12 or 13, and they made me hungry for the real things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a find!</p>
<p>If not for personal experience, I would likely have scoffed at introducing children to the classics using comic books.  However, my stepdad had a highly prized set of these that he allowed me to read when I was 12 or 13, and they made me hungry for the real things.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Christian classical education by Luke Tia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke Tia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 04:10:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that would be great. I&#039;ve been keeping my eye out of any good opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that would be great. I&#8217;ve been keeping my eye out of any good opportunities.</p>
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		<title>Comment on When and How to Teach Grammar: II &#8211; Reflections on studying a foreign language by Aretemom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aretemom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would second the recommendation of &quot;First Language Lessons&quot; from Peace Hill Press. We finished the 3rd grade book and are now starting on 4th grade, and only wish they had the FLL series done so that my sixth grader could switch from Rod and Staff.  From a homeschool mom&#039;s perspective FLL is more child friendly, yet extremely effective.
Aretemom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would second the recommendation of &#8220;First Language Lessons&#8221; from Peace Hill Press. We finished the 3rd grade book and are now starting on 4th grade, and only wish they had the FLL series done so that my sixth grader could switch from Rod and Staff.  From a homeschool mom&#8217;s perspective FLL is more child friendly, yet extremely effective.<br />
Aretemom</p>
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		<title>Comment on When and How to Teach Grammar: II &#8211; Reflections on studying a foreign language by Andrew Kern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Kern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 19:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For you as an adult I would get Harvey&#039;s Grammar from Mott Media. Determine if you think your kids could handle it. I haven&#039;t seen anything that excites me in grammar because I think since the 50&#039;s or at least the 60&#039;s textbook publishing companies have been tyrannized by unsound text theories, namely and especially that they are trying to replace the teacher with a text book.

I don&#039;t go for that. 

So check out Harvey&#039;s as a starting point.

Blessings!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For you as an adult I would get Harvey&#8217;s Grammar from Mott Media. Determine if you think your kids could handle it. I haven&#8217;t seen anything that excites me in grammar because I think since the 50&#8217;s or at least the 60&#8217;s textbook publishing companies have been tyrannized by unsound text theories, namely and especially that they are trying to replace the teacher with a text book.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t go for that. </p>
<p>So check out Harvey&#8217;s as a starting point.</p>
<p>Blessings!</p>
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